I'd imagine it would be even cheaper to import human capital. Import miners and industrialists to nullsec. Show them the wonders of the untamed wilds of New Eden. Care for them as you would any investment. Pay them an honest wage. And stop shooting at them.

The reason this would be difficult is that you and others in Null have spent the past 5 years or more being shitboxes to these people.

You're asking for CCP to step in and modify game mechanics because you simply can't be bothered to be ******* nice to people.

Emergent gameplay does not always have to involve asshattery. It can also involve actually building an Empire and not something that resembles Somalia.

Except most high sec miners don't do that. Only a few vocal ones do, some of which are certainly ganker alts doing it in a deliberate troll to stir an opposite reaction using reverse psychology. This is EVE after all. Metagame included.

Lets slap you with some real numbers.


Assumption. 50% are empty.

And who's fault do you think that is? Do you really believe it's CCP's responsibility to fix this pickle GS is in? They blow up low end miners. Now they're short on low end minerals. Of course they're going to have a hell of a time recruiting low end miners. It'd be na+»ve to think otherwise. Some how they need to fix this themselves. But of course, the easiest solution is to whine to CCP to fix it for them .

A quick scan in Heimatar where I currently am shows over 50% slots are empty.

But, lets say you are right that it's a terrible assumption and lets assume every single slot in High Sec is being used to maximum capacity....

Without hard figures on free capacity I have to make an assumption there however. And I chose to go on the high useage side. Rather than assume a high free capacity and then have nullbears complain that I was underestimating how much was going on. If you are right and it's 80% free, that means even fewer Amarr stations are needed (All of 4 needed for the entire of the goons to be accurate). Which makes it even easier for Null.

Certainly it's not the only bottleneck, minerals is the other bottleneck, but they can solve that bottleneck without any changes to the game since they already have significant advantages in that field. They just have to stop treating miners & industrialists like dirt. And overcome the years they have built up treating them like such.

Confirmed you didn't bother reading the discussion. Where we are specifically NOT DISCUSSING CAPS.
Since Caps can't be built in high sec anyway. So aren't part of any 'high sec vs null sec' discussion to begin with.
We are discussing sub caps & modules here.

Do you have a clue what "renting" means?

lol, and it always comes back to mining

The core of industry only comes down to three things.

1) Hauling goods around.

2) Clicking through the cluster-**** of a UI to make things whilst sitting at a station.

3) Occasionally fiddling with a POS. In nullsec you might not even need one considering how many slots there are.

So as for 1), I don't think JF'ing goods in nullsec is more dangerous than freightering goods in highsec. Red Frog loses freighters on a regular basis in highsec, as do many others.

JF is inherently faster/safer than a traditional freighter. If you don't agree, you've probably never flown a freighter through highsec before -- experiencing the thrill of getting cargo scanned every other gate.

As for 2) Sitting in a station clicking through UI does not have any inherent danger associated with it.

For 3), POS's are definitely more at risk in nullsec than in highsec, but that's about the only aspect of increased risk I'll grant you.

I never said either of those things. Straw man less, it doesn't become you.

People farm relics and data sites regardless of the risk in nullsec because it is profitable to do so.

The farm you get from them can directly be used to manufacture goods in nullsec without bringing in any additional materials (well - besides blueprints, but that's a one time deal)

Just an example.

You're confusing me.

Do you think it's superior, from a risk/reward viewpoint, to run relic/datas in highsec?

I can tell you from extensive personal experience that it isn't.

I agree with most of what you are saying.

But they are still profitable and they are still worth doing.

If you do intend to fit a new ship in null, you need rigs anyways:

So you can either:

1) Ship your data/relic loot to highsec, sell it there....and then buy rigs there, and ship them back

or

2) Take your data/relic loot and turn them directly into rigs right in nullsec.

Shrug. You have limited cargo hold which you admitted yourself. (Edit: What? Whats this got to do with it? And I mentioned cargo in relation to an interceptor, so... what?)

What's preventing you from the selling finished rigs to a nearby alliance/corp at a discount vs jita prices to save you the time/hassle of traveling back and forth to offload your loot?

I can imagine they burn through things like T2 trimarks pretty damn quickly.

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If things were balanced